And Buffy fandom, when fans bashed Buffy *because* they like Spike, they are bashing Buffy and Spike’s relationship.
THIS is something that bothers me and puzzles me a LOT, and is one of my biggest pet peeves as a fan. (And why I tread very carefully towards fic labelled "Spuffy".) How can anyone ship two characters if they don't like (much less hate) one half of that ship? In a fandom I used to be in, Moulin Rouge, I didn't get the sense that fans hated the female lead, Satine, so much as were disinterested in her. So they focused on Christian's relationships with the other male character; there were very few fics I saw that bashed Satine outright.
The same with Yoko Ono among Beatles fans
Likewise, Weren't John and Cynthia told to keep their marriage a secret at first so as to not upset the Beatles' fanbase? I don't know how much bashing she came in for, as I haven't read the histories.
Another RL example: I was a fan of Nicole Kidman's movies for about ten years or so (and I still admire her acting.) When she started dating her current husband, singer Keith Urban, suddenly I met a lot of KU fans online - he had a huge fanbase and good rapport with his audience as many country singers do; and his fanbase was very VERY vocal, mostly middle-aged women who were very enamoured of him, which included sexual fantasies. And because their beloved was marrying someone they disliked (presumably because they wanted him for themselves?) they were extremely vitriolic towards her, beyond the usual stuff thrown her way. It was not just disliking her it was absolute seething hate.
And this is where I'm back to shaking my head - you say you're the fan of someone and you LOVE him, love his work, etc but you publicly diss his wife? How would he feel if he saw the stuff his "fans" say about her? (I personally think that souled Spike would be horrified by the things that are said of Buffy. Fuck that, soulless Spike would be horrified (mostly.)
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THIS is something that bothers me and puzzles me a LOT, and is one of my biggest pet peeves as a fan. (And why I tread very carefully towards fic labelled "Spuffy".) How can anyone ship two characters if they don't like (much less hate) one half of that ship? In a fandom I used to be in, Moulin Rouge, I didn't get the sense that fans hated the female lead, Satine, so much as were disinterested in her. So they focused on Christian's relationships with the other male character; there were very few fics I saw that bashed Satine outright.
The same with Yoko Ono among Beatles fans
Likewise, Weren't John and Cynthia told to keep their marriage a secret at first so as to not upset the Beatles' fanbase? I don't know how much bashing she came in for, as I haven't read the histories.
Another RL example: I was a fan of Nicole Kidman's movies for about ten years or so (and I still admire her acting.) When she started dating her current husband, singer Keith Urban, suddenly I met a lot of KU fans online - he had a huge fanbase and good rapport with his audience as many country singers do; and his fanbase was very VERY vocal, mostly middle-aged women who were very enamoured of him, which included sexual fantasies. And because their beloved was marrying someone they disliked (presumably because they wanted him for themselves?) they were extremely vitriolic towards her, beyond the usual stuff thrown her way. It was not just disliking her it was absolute seething hate.
And this is where I'm back to shaking my head - you say you're the fan of someone and you LOVE him, love his work, etc but you publicly diss his wife? How would he feel if he saw the stuff his "fans" say about her? (I personally think that souled Spike would be horrified by the things that are said of Buffy. Fuck that, soulless Spike would be horrified (mostly.)