We're in agreement re: Gunn. I think until s5 and after having introduced him, they never quite figured out what to do with him. Though I did like his episode with Gwen (yet another Gwen!) in s4, which was probably the most atypical of all Gunn-centric episodes and as a breather admidst the s4 darknes (which actually as you know I love).
I probably told you before, but just in case. With Gwen (Torchwood edition), I was mostly indifferent in s1, came to genuinenly like her in s2 and around the wedding episode thought, huh, I actually love her now, when did that happen?, and with CoE she became my favourite Torchwood regular. (Okay, by the time CoE ended there was only a choice of two, but still.:)
Re: her relationship with Jack: if you had told me back in s1 it would become one of my favourite things about TW, I'd have been... skeptical. Not because I had something against it, but in the initial set up it resembled Rose and Nine somewhat (I thought) and gave me a sense of been there, done that. And then it became quite different entirely. Much as Miracle Day was a mixed affair and a step back in quality from CoE, I think most people would admit the Gwen and Jack scenes in it were outstanding, in particular the ones in the episode where she's blackmailed into handing him over. There is an equality there which I never would have suspected back in the pilot, and it's amazing and rare for relationships between a male and a female character.
Re: Gwen Stacy - haven't seen the latest Spiderman, either, but I was introduced to Gwen, of all things, via House of M. Since this was written only a few years ago, Gwen was a different character from her initial love interest days, and a very active character. It was of course also fascinating that since Wanda gave our protagonist their ideal lives Peter's ideal life - and bear in mind this was long before the Peter/MJ marriage was retconned away, grrr, argh - didn't only have Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy and Gwen alive but himself married to Gwen. Though you could argue that was the inevitable consquence of a timeline where she didn't die and he didn't have the chance to get closer to MJ as the result. (That comic also had a hilarious meta moment when everyone finds Peter's diaries from the original timeline and thinks they're a wish fulfillment novel he's written. Uncle Ben, Gwen and Captain Stacy are shocked they got killed off early on and Aunt May is a bit smug that she survives, until Ben says "Yes, but you have a heart attack every five pages!") Anyway, so that was how I "met" Gwen Stacy. Whereas I had the misfortune of meeting MJ via the films. However, then I read the early JMS run of Spiderman, where she was fabulous!
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I probably told you before, but just in case. With Gwen (Torchwood edition), I was mostly indifferent in s1, came to genuinenly like her in s2 and around the wedding episode thought, huh, I actually love her now, when did that happen?, and with CoE she became my favourite Torchwood regular. (Okay, by the time CoE ended there was only a choice of two, but still.:)
Re: her relationship with Jack: if you had told me back in s1 it would become one of my favourite things about TW, I'd have been... skeptical. Not because I had something against it, but in the initial set up it resembled Rose and Nine somewhat (I thought) and gave me a sense of been there, done that. And then it became quite different entirely. Much as Miracle Day was a mixed affair and a step back in quality from CoE, I think most people would admit the Gwen and Jack scenes in it were outstanding, in particular the ones in the episode where she's blackmailed into handing him over. There is an equality there which I never would have suspected back in the pilot, and it's amazing and rare for relationships between a male and a female character.
Re: Gwen Stacy - haven't seen the latest Spiderman, either, but I was introduced to Gwen, of all things, via House of M. Since this was written only a few years ago, Gwen was a different character from her initial love interest days, and a very active character. It was of course also fascinating that since Wanda gave our protagonist their ideal lives Peter's ideal life - and bear in mind this was long before the Peter/MJ marriage was retconned away, grrr, argh - didn't only have Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy and Gwen alive but himself married to Gwen. Though you could argue that was the inevitable consquence of a timeline where she didn't die and he didn't have the chance to get closer to MJ as the result. (That comic also had a hilarious meta moment when everyone finds Peter's diaries from the original timeline and thinks they're a wish fulfillment novel he's written. Uncle Ben, Gwen and Captain Stacy are shocked they got killed off early on and Aunt May is a bit smug that she survives, until Ben says "Yes, but you have a heart attack every five pages!") Anyway, so that was how I "met" Gwen Stacy. Whereas I had the misfortune of meeting MJ via the films. However, then I read the early JMS run of Spiderman, where she was fabulous!