itsnotmymind: (tosh pendant)
Growing up, I far preferred platonic relationships in stories to romantic relationships, but there were a few romances that I shipped.

When I was fifteen years old and read The Riddle-Master Trilogy by Patricia McKillip, I was taken with Deth and the Morgol's relationship, and thought it was one of the most mature romantic relationships I'd encountered in a book. Later on, I realized that I felt this way because it was a relationship where both parties rarely saw each other. She was ruling her land. He was always traveling in his role as the High One's harpist. It is mature, of course, that they weren't teenagers who wanted to be together 24/7, but still strange to me that one of my favorite romances was one I loved basically because they rarely saw each other. They had duties and roles and those took precedence over their love. Their love for each does, in fact, become very important to the plot, but it is a low-key romance that co-exists with other relationships.

Another romance I liked as a teenager was Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson, from the Spider-Man comics. That was interesting one because Peter was interested in Mary Jane physically from the moment they met, but dismissed her as too shallow to have a relationship. It wasn't until they'd both been through a lot of growing up that they became a couple.
itsnotmymind: (gwen)
1. Leave a comment to this post - specifically saying that you would like a letter.
2. I will give you a letter.
3. Post the names of five fictional characters whose names begin with that letter, and your thoughts on each. The characters can be from books, movies, or TV shows.

[livejournal.com profile] boot_the_grime gave me the letter G.

Giles (Buffy the Vampire Slayer): I have surprisingly few thoughts on Giles. I like him well enough most of the time, but was never as deeply interested in him as I was in some of the other characters. The only time he inspired a strong emotional reaction in me was when he left in S6--and oddly, the character on whose behalf I was most pissed-off was Dawn. As in, "How could you leave this girl in the charge of two out-of-control twenty-year-olds?" Ironically I think Giles may have left because of Dawn. I think it may have been [livejournal.com profile] swsa who first suggested that idea; that Giles was willing to be a father figure to Buffy, but absolutely did not want to be one to Dawn, and he left in large part because Buffy was trying to get him to be the one responsible for Dawn.

Glory (BtVS): I love Glory. She wasn't the brightest or most interesting villain on the show, and her hench-demons were quite irritating, but she was a god and could throw Buffy and Spike around like ragdolls. Season five fight scenes were among the most delightful of the show.

Gunn (Angel): I could never really get into Gunn. I do remember being annoyed by the narrative that had him kill his (recently vamped, probably not yet harmed anyone) sister while a season later Cordelia lets Harmony (already eaten her share of people) go. Maybe that was supposed to illustrate Cordy and Gunn's different attitudes towards vampires, but it would have been nice to have it addressed more directly (i.e., have Gunn have doubts about whether he was right to kill his sister, or have him or someone else criticize Cordy for letting Harmony go). AtS in general had a problem with unacknowledged inconsistency in how demons and vampires were treated/portrayed.

I think my favorite moment for Gunn was in S5, when he chose take Lindsey's place and endure (possibly eternal) torture for the cause, and to atone for Fred's death.

Gwen Cooper (Torchwood): I started watching Torchwood with the same attitude about Gwen as I had about Buffy on BtVS: that she was most important woman on the show, and the target of fannish hostility, and therefore if I was going to like the show, I was going to like her. I wasn't entirely sure whether I would like her at first, but she clicked with me in the scene in Ghost Machine when she experiences memories of her and Rhys. My feelings towards her remained fairly consistent from that time onwards: I always liked her, but she was never a favorite. Her relationship with Jack increasingly became one of my favorite things about the show, and definitely my favorite thing about her character. This made the fandom a bit difficult for me--I never had any desire to see Jack and Gwen together as a couple (and didn't really think that would ever happen), but fandom was afraid this would happen, and many fans responded with hostility towards any positive interaction the two had (especially if it was flirtatious, which, well, this is Jack Harkness we're talking about, so that would be most interactions). Reading review after review where a relationship you like is put down and insulted can get tiresome.

Gwen Stacy (Spider-Man Comics): The comic version, because I haven't seen the recent movie.

First of all, I must admit to being a hardcore Peter/MJ shipper (again, comic version; I only saw the first Raimi movie, but it was quite enough to put me off movie MJ as a character), which of course affects my view of Gwen. What I mostly think about about Gwen is that she had potential, but it didn't go anywhere. I once saw a Peter/Gwen shipper argue that Gwen was better suited for Peter as love interest than MJ because she was also a science major--which would have been a good argument if Gwen being a science major had ever been mentioned outside of one issue (With Silver Age female characters in general, I tend to prefer the flighty, ultra-feminine types, like Mary-Jane Watson and Jan van Dyne aka the Wasp, because then their portrayal as ultra-feminine feels more like genuine characterization and less like "Ha ha! Girls are so girly!"). Gwen's character quickly devolved into a boring love interest, and the writers couldn't think of anything to do with her besides killing her off. That's a shame, really--because she had potential.
itsnotmymind: (willow/tara)
At the the time Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog was first broadcast (? Is that the proper term for an internet series?) in 2008, it received a lot of criticism from fandom for sexism because how Penny was written--especially her death, a classic case of refrigeration (i.e., a female character killed to advance the storyline of a male character). But while the blatant refrigeration can't be denied, I think the story is portraying the way guys like Dr. Horrible and Captain Hammer view women like Penny in a much more critical light that than its reputation (at least, its reputation as I am aware of it) would lead you to believe. I think there’s a lot of interesting stuff going on in that little story.

Dead girlfriends under the cut )

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