Tosh in season 1 is so heartbreaking - even more so in retrospect of the Fragments backstory.
"Then why doesn't it come here?" Suzie asked, and there was no mistaking the bitterness in her voice.
Because it coes to the Sarah Jane Adventures instead. Okay, more seriously, Suzie's outburst in the pilot and the way it reverbarates throughout the first season are part of what made said season, and at the time I felt they were going a bit overboard with the nihilism; otoh the moment in A Day in the Death when it turns out that the glowy alien rock isn't providing yet another bit of misery, but something wondrously beautiful, partly is as powerful because of all the previous stuff. Otoh I do think s2 got the balance better in showing why people not on parole like Tosh would continue to want to do this job.
(BTW, actually the pilot of SJA does have Sarah Jane communicate with a being of Mary's species, and it's played like a moment of joy and mutual help.)
Sometimes, Tosh felt a bit of sadistic delight at the thought of Gwen's insistent self-righteousness and good nature being destroyed by the harrowing monsters of Torchwood. She made an effort to be nice to Gwen.
That strikes me as a very plausible interpretation of their s1 relationship. BTW, the scene early in Children of Earth where Gwen is the veteran recruiting the (seeming) newbie is in a way an answer to the question as to what of Gwen's beliefs survives the Torchwood experience - she's recruiting, but I think she's also honest when talking about it.
Owen liked this kind of show. He liked to criticize every error made by the show writers in portraying medical knowledge, and criticize the characters for every mistake they made in running their personal lives.
And now I'm envisioning Owen watching House, because yes, can totally see the ongoing complaining both of the medical mistakes and of Cameron's love life. (While he secretly totally identifies with Gregory House, of course.) Tosh hoping telepathy would help her re: Owen and instead getting the news about the Owen/Gwen affair: triple ouch. In a way, it reminds me of Willow's reaction to Xander/Cordelia in s2, and it occurs to me that given RTD and Chris Chibnall definitely were BTVS watchers (see: hiring of JM for a role specifically designed for him), that might have been the inspiration. Certainly Tosh could have said along with Willow "it means that you'd rather be with someone you hate than be with me", though Owen's reason for not going for an affair with Tosh strikes me as very different than Xander's entire relationship with Willow.
It hurt to acknowledge it, even only to herself, but she had felt that if she let Mary make the calls, maybe she wouldn't have to take responsibility, later.
Very insightful. Also the way you're founding Tosh's loyalty to Jack by his response to all this, that he continues to have faith both in her and in humanity. It strikes me that Tosh's response to her WWI. soldier a season later is the opposite to her response to Mary, because seh's in charge of that relationship, and she's the one who presses - has to press - the emotional buttons at the end in order to make him go back. Which Jack asks her to, and so things are coming full circle again.
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Date: 2016-12-14 05:59 am (UTC)"Then why doesn't it come here?" Suzie asked, and there was no mistaking the bitterness in her voice.
Because it coes to the Sarah Jane Adventures instead. Okay, more seriously, Suzie's outburst in the pilot and the way it reverbarates throughout the first season are part of what made said season, and at the time I felt they were going a bit overboard with the nihilism; otoh the moment in A Day in the Death when it turns out that the glowy alien rock isn't providing yet another bit of misery, but something wondrously beautiful, partly is as powerful because of all the previous stuff. Otoh I do think s2 got the balance better in showing why people not on parole like Tosh would continue to want to do this job.(BTW, actually the pilot of SJA does have Sarah Jane communicate with a being of Mary's species, and it's played like a moment of joy and mutual help.)
Sometimes, Tosh felt a bit of sadistic delight at the thought of Gwen's insistent self-righteousness and good nature being destroyed by the harrowing monsters of Torchwood. She made an effort to be nice to Gwen.
That strikes me as a very plausible interpretation of their s1 relationship. BTW, the scene early in Children of Earth where Gwen is the veteran recruiting the (seeming) newbie is in a way an answer to the question as to what of Gwen's beliefs survives the Torchwood experience - she's recruiting, but I think she's also honest when talking about it.
Owen liked this kind of show. He liked to criticize every error made by the show writers in portraying medical knowledge, and criticize the characters for every mistake they made in running their personal lives.
And now I'm envisioning Owen watching House, because yes, can totally see the ongoing complaining both of the medical mistakes and of Cameron's love life. (While he secretly totally identifies with Gregory House, of course.) Tosh hoping telepathy would help her re: Owen and instead getting the news about the Owen/Gwen affair: triple ouch. In a way, it reminds me of Willow's reaction to Xander/Cordelia in s2, and it occurs to me that given RTD and Chris Chibnall definitely were BTVS watchers (see: hiring of JM for a role specifically designed for him), that might have been the inspiration. Certainly Tosh could have said along with Willow "it means that you'd rather be with someone you hate than be with me", though Owen's reason for not going for an affair with Tosh strikes me as very different than Xander's entire relationship with Willow.
It hurt to acknowledge it, even only to herself, but she had felt that if she let Mary make the calls, maybe she wouldn't have to take responsibility, later.
Very insightful. Also the way you're founding Tosh's loyalty to Jack by his response to all this, that he continues to have faith both in her and in humanity. It strikes me that Tosh's response to her WWI. soldier a season later is the opposite to her response to Mary, because seh's in charge of that relationship, and she's the one who presses - has to press - the emotional buttons at the end in order to make him go back. Which Jack asks her to, and so things are coming full circle again.