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Dean often assumes he knows Sam better than he actually does. Sam isn't usually surprised to find out that there are parts of Dean he doesn't know. Dean, on the other hand, simply assumes in Bloody Mary that he knows everything there is to know about Jessica's death, and is flummoxed in Houses of The Holy to discover that Sam prays every day. Sam in When the Levee Breaks articulates one of Dean's greatest fears when he tells his brother that Dean has never known him.

I do pray every day )
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If Swan Song did not work for me at all, Point of No Return works excellently. Point of No Return is not a love-saves-the-day episode, it’s a faith saves the day episode. It’s like Never Leave Me, where Spike resists ridiculous amounts of torture, the insistence that he must be evil, because Buffy believes in him. Because Buffy is the one thing he’s ever seen sure of. Faith and love are deeply connected, but they are not quite the same thing.

I just don't belive )
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Both Buffy season six and Supernatural season five end with season finale where a character saves the day by reminding another character that they love them. However, while even just reading the transcripts of Buffy S6 can make me cry, the S5 finale leaves me cold, and it part of why S5 is my least favorite SPN season (bearing in mind that I have only seen through S10).

There are certainly some parallels, and I wonder if the SPN writers were thinking of Buffy S6 when they wrote Swan Song. If so, they left out all the parts that made Grave actually good.

You're going to stop me by telling me you love me? )
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It's interesting that Dean, in Southern Comfort, doesn't really push the case of Benny being a "good" vampire. He initially doesn't tell Sam that Benny doesn't kill - when Sam makes the comparison to Amy, he has no reason to think Benny isn't far worse than Amy. When Sam asks Dean why Benny is "still breathing", Dean just says, "He's my friend, Sam." In fact, Dean never explicitly says that Benny isn't killing. He compares Benny to Kate the werewolf, and Sam figures it out: "She was different. She – you think Benny's different? He tell you he's not drinking live blood, or something? And you believe him. Wow. Okay. You know, you're right. People do change."

Dean does not express much faith that Benny will refrain from killing. A little later, he says, "Look, Benny slips up and some other hunter turns his lights out, so be it." Implication: He won't be able to do it himself.

It's actually striking the Dean is so honest. If he had insisted he had faith in Benny's ability to stay clean, Sam might have accepted that. Instead, he doesn't pretend to be confident. He doesn't hide his serious doubts.
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TV shows the give me feelings of visceral horror:

Jessica Jones is really, really, the worst in terms of a single character. Torchwood Children of Earth is also very awful, but it’s the whole situation rather than what’s happening to one character that really gets to me. One of the most horrifying moments of Jessica Jones, to me, is when Kilgrave tells her he’ll leave Malcolm alone if she sends him pictures herself. Somehow the fact that he’s asking for selfies, not nudes, just makes it creepier. He has this much control over her, and she has no real choice but to go along with it. And if she doesn’t do it at the right time, he gives implied threats.

Two others that I find very horrifying are Sam Winchester (in Supernatural seasons 3, 4, parts of 5, and the first half of 7, specifically), and Drusilla from Buffy. Drusilla’s situation is more horrifying than Sam’s, but Sam’s is visceral for me as much if not more because he’s a protagonist and we get a stronger sense of his experiences, and also because I love him more.

There’s really no redeeming factor to Dru’s story. People have tried to find it. I've heard argued that the redeeming factor of Drusilla’s story is that she is happy, when Angel gave her eternal life in order to punish her forever. That may be true, but it seems very, very tiny considering that she has become the very “evil thing” that she was desperate to avoid. Another fan, after pointing out accurately that Dru can’t be a survivor because she’d dead, argued that Dru was…I don’t remember her exact wording, but because Dru just existed. Continued. She remains Drusilla.

Except she wasn’t always Drusilla. We don’t know her human name, but if it was Drusilla I’ll eat my hats. Whoever that girl was, perhaps she wasn’t completely and utterly destroyed, she does still exist as that monster, but she was transformed into the thing she least wanted to be. There is no redemption for her.

And that’s horrifying.

And yet...maybe those fans aren't so wrong. Drusilla is dead, to be sure - but also not. She still exists. She’s not miserable. Angel has turned her into what he wanted her to be. He made her, he designed her. She was, indeed, his art.
But she’s not…she’s not forced, not anymore. She makes her own decisions. “I could pick the wisest and bravest knight in all the land - and make him mine forever with a kiss.” And she does.

She’s insane. Angel and Darla made her insane. They took her sanity and they made her a monster - but they don’t control her. She’s not a prisoner. She’s a very different being now, she’s the “thing” she didn’t want to be. What happened to her was not her choice. As others have pointed out, Dru is the only one of the fanged four who does not get some form of redemption…because she does not need redemption. She’s a victim. An eternal victim.

Dru is a monster, but she is a monster who makes her own decisions about what to do. Angel and Darla can’t, for example, keep her from vamping Darla again. She’s the monster, now, and they are the victims. Dru is out of her mind, but her insanity is hers. She has visions and she says things that make no sense and Angel and Darla can never understand. She’s a Cassandra who has no desire to be understood. She loves. She loves “quite well. If not wisely.” She’s not the young woman who begged Angel to help her be good. And yet…"In the end, we all are who we are, no matter how much we may appear to have changed." Drusilla is her own being, her own independent agent.
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It's not actually true, that speech of Dean's in Sacrifice. It's a retcon. When they were kids and young adults, Dean was completely torn between John and Sam. He didn’t love Sam more than John, and he didn’t value Sam more than John. After the Stanford fight, he chose to stay with John rather than try to reach out to Sam. I don't think it's a coincidence that Dean in the Pilot shoves himself back into Sam's life after John goes missing. Dean's ideal, of course, would be to have Sam and John get along - but he does not consistently put Sam above John.

This changes in S2. Dean's decision to sell his soul for Sam is rightfully seen as very important - but perhaps equally of import is his choice not to do so for John, in Crossroad Blues. Those two decisions mark an essential change in his relationships with and attitudes towards his father and brother.
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Slightly rambly thoughts on Sam Winchester's emotional state in SPN S8. Bear in mind that I have only watched the show through the end of S10.

Must feel great finally finding someone you can trust )
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Some thoughts on Sam Winchester while soulless:

Soulless Sam has no feelings. But he remembers having feelings. Vividly. My memory of the end of You Can’t Handle the Truth is that the idea that he can’t feel., that he doesn’t actually care about Lisa and Ben, that he doesn’t get scared anymore, that idea still stuns him. Even though it’s been more than a year.
Because you care, and that's who you are )
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I was thinking about how Dean’s reassurances of Sam from, well, Sam’s infancy play into Sam’s requests to be reassured. The interesting thing is that Sam doesn’t just ask for reassurances from Dean (although of course he does ask Dean for reassurances; see for example the end of Crossroad Blues), but Bobby, too. See The Magnificent Seven (“We can win this war. Right?”) and Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid (“But you're gonna be all right. Right, Bobby?”).

It's interesting, as Sam and Dean didn’t know Bobby THAT well when they were kids, and he doesn’t seem like the comforting type. Yes Sam turns to him for reassurance as well as Dean. I don’t think we ever see an example of Sam turned to John for reassurance, though.

Sam cuts back on asking Dean for reassurances after the Hell deal, but in a way, the scene in the church in Sacrifice was a big of example of Sam asking to be reassured. When intensely stressed, he falls back on old patterns.

Be Pissed?

Dec. 3rd, 2016 08:07 am
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In a previous post, I took a look at Dean's bonding with Tyler, the boy who had to keep himself entertained at Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie while his mother worked. I pointed out that Dean's interactions with the boy were disingenuous, as he did not let on that he was identifying with the mother as much as with the child.

Now, I want to look at an earlier conversation in the episode: The conversation where Sam tells Dean how much he hated being left at PPMM as a child. Dean deflects by telling Sam that PPMM is supposed to be fun for kids: "It's not like I left you in jail." But Sam continues asserting that him being left there was neglectful (not Dean's fault, as Dean was just a kid, but still a real experience for Sam). What finally shuts Sam up is when Dean says this: "All right, don't have one of your episodes, okay?"

Episodes? )
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This is kinda harsh on Dean, but I stand by it. Late S6-mid S7 is the period when Dean's behavior skeeves me out the most.

In Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie, Dean bonds with a little boy, as he has been known to do. But the way Dean bonds with this particular boy strikes me as skeevy.

Could have swore you loved those places )
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I haven't done a lot of reading of SPN meta and fics as of late, but during the time that I did there was a recurring assumption among many fans: Sam didn't understand what Dean did for them while they were growing up, and Sam needs to understand that.

Now, I only watched through the end of S10, but on the show I watched, Sam had a very good idea of just what Dean went through, and what Dean had done for him. True - he didn't see it at the beginning. In S1, Sam grumbled, "Dad never treated you like that. You were perfect. He was all over my case."

But ten episodes later, Sam and Dean fought a shtriga and Sam came face-to-face with the reality of his brother's upbringing. Perfect or Doted Upon? )
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Some analysis of the complicated relationships John has with his sons, as mentioned previous entry. Always a difficult thing to do with the very limited glimpses we see of their past, but one I find worth trying.
Even when they fight )
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Brief exchange from Dead Man's Blood, while Dean is off getting the blood:

Sam: It shouldn't be taking this long. I should go help.
John: Dean's got it.

It cracks me up at John, who much of fandom is convinced had no respect for his older son, has absolute faith in Dean here. It really flies in the face of the two-dimensional take on John and Dean's relationship that many fans have.

The Winchester family dynamics are far more complex in those first couple of seasons than most people remember. Even the show writers themselves - Bad Boys fits in better with popular fanon about the Winchester than with family than what we saw in S1.

Don't get me wrong - I think John was a lousy father. I think his behavior in Something Wicked was criminal. But the fanon 2D monster who was unambiguously awful, who hated one or both of his sons, who was so neglectful as to leave the boys no better off than orphans...that has nothing to do with the man I saw on the screen in S1 and S2. It has nothing to do with how he interacted with his sons, and they with him.
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Brief thoughts on Sam Winchester and lying, will probably have more thoughts later:

We are all well aware of Sam's extensive lying in S4. One particularly nasty example is his claim in Lazarus Rising that he hasn’t been using his powers because “you didn't want me to go down that road, so I didn't go down that road. It was practically your dying wish.” It's the reference to Dean's "dying wish" that makes Sam's lie seem particularly cold to me.

But the thing is, what tends to get forgotten by people (including me), is that Sam actually started lying, or at least hiding things from Dean, in S3.

And if we don't screw with it, you die! )
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S7 Sam cracks me up.

"First I got addicted to demon blood and screwed up and started the apocalypse so then I sacrificed myself to save the day and was tortured in Hell by the Devil for a length of time too ridiculous to mention here, and while this was going on my body was separated from my soul and while my soul stayed in Hell to be tortured my body was brought up to earth, where I had no empathy and little emotion and proceeded to lots of skeevy things, and then when my soul was finally rescued from Hell and reunited with my body Death put a wall in my mind so that I couldn’t remember parts of my life/death, and then a friend removed the wall in attempt to frighten my brother into going along with his highly questionable plan to endanger the world and then I was stuck in a dream sequence where I had to kill parts of myself in order to unite myself and then I woke up and was haunted by hallucinations of torture and of the Devil, who as previously discussed had tortured and raped me for a length of time too ridiculous to mention, and I wasn’t sure what was real and what wasn’t and my brother showed me what was real by causing me physical pain and now I know if I squeeze an injury I have on my hand my hallucination of the Devil disappears temporarily, although he always comes back, and you know what? I’m okay.”

Or as he says in Defending Your Life, “I kind of feel good.”
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Comparing Dean's confrontation with a crossroad demon in AHBL2 to Sam's confrontation with a crossroad demon in IKWYDLS:

Crossroad Deals )
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Even more thoughts on Point of No Return!

I'm thinking of this line from Dean: “And when Satan takes you over, there's got to be somebody there to fight him, and it ain't gonna be that kid. So, it's got to be me.”

On Saying Yes )
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In a previous entry, I talked about Dean's lack of belief in Sam in Point of No Return. I wrote, "Whether one agrees with Dean about Sam or not (and I disagree with his arguments but not his conclusion - remember, Sam does say 'yes' to Lucifer), you can't argue with how Dean feels, with what faith he has or doesn't have."

I wanted to go into a little more detail about what I meant by agreeing with Dean's arguments but not his conclusions. Let's start with Dean's explanation of why he doesn't believe in Sam: "I don’t know whether it’s gonna be demon blood or some other demon chick or what, but…I do know they're gonna find a way to turn you.[...]You’re angry, you’re self-righteous. Lucifer's gonna wear you to the prom, man. It's just a matter of time."

Yes )
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I've heard Dean's behavior in Point of No Return characterized as him being horrible to Sam, by claiming he's going to kill himself because Sam is so awful. It is true that Dean makes that statement, but before dubbing Dean horrible I want to point out exactly what he says and when.

In You )

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