Go to Hell: Repo Man

[itsnotmymind]

I just finished re-watching Repo Man. I've always thought it a strong episode, one that really takes a harsh look at how Sam and Dean treat possessed people. But nonetheless, I've always felt the making Jeffrey turn out to be so evil undermined that harsh look. It makes it harder for us to care, to empathize with Jeffrey, to fully feel the effects of Sam and Dean's actions.

Yet somehow, I never noticed how the exorcism of the demon Nora's son completely undermines any argument for the Winchester brothers' near-constant murders of countless possession victims. Some fans have argues that demons should be killed rather the exorcised because otherwise the demons will return to kill others. Well, here is a demon who is especially dangerous - he not only kills, he possesses people planning to teach them how to be serial killers, so they can kill on their own after he leaves. Yet, because they have sympathy towards the victim's mother, Sam and Dean choose to exorcise him.

Dean even kills Jeffrey to keep him from killing the demon. Don't get me wrong - the Winchester brothers had no feelings of mercy towards Jeffrey at this point, nor should they have. There's a reason Dean shot him instead of making an attempt to disarm him. Nonetheless, I don't think Dean would have killed him directly accept to save another person - even if saving another person means saving the demon inhabiting that person. So much for the "No matter what meat suit he's in, I should have knifed him," argument that he gave a season later, after trying to kill Linda Tran.

(Also, so much for the fanon I've encountered that Sam cares about people he knows more than people he doesn't know, but Dean has no such prejudice...)

If killing Nora's son would have been wrong, why is it okay to kill so many nameless people who had the misfortune to have demons shoved inside them?

Comments

[itsnotmymind.livejournal.com]

My main point here is simply one of double standard. In fact, demon-possessed people are as likely to be working for the enemy as you or I am to be working with terrorists. You can count on one hand the number of possessed people who are working with their demons - Jeffrey's about it. In demon/possessed person "relationship", the demon has absolute power (barring rare circumstances where a possessed person breaks free). Nora's son was no different from any other - except they sympathized with his mother. If killing him was wrong, then so is killing many of the other people they kill, and vice versa.

As for what I think they should have done? I think they should fight to save possession victims. Nora's son. That poor kid Linda Tran stabbed in Captives. Linda's friend Eunice. The demons Dean tortured and killed to find Lisa and Ben. Cindy the nurse Sam bled, and the two people who Sam and Dean bled in Swan Song. The woman Ruby 1.0 possessed, who Bobby shot for no reason. If you don't like the idea of killing an innocent person when you've seen their mother's pain - don't kill innocent people.

[supernutjapan.livejournal.com]

I used that analogy not because the possessed people might be evil as well, although there is also a possibility of that - I´m sure there are other demons that work the same way. This is not the exception. But, there is a very real possibility that the people are already dead or dying, so that killing them quickly is better than freeing them.

In all the examples you mentioned, if they had let the demons go back, they would have warned Crowley or Lucifer what Sam and Dean were up to and put both other innocents and the mission in jeapardy.

Bobby killing the girl possessed by Ruby -how do you know she wasn't already fatally wounded and how could he have sent Ruby to hell in that situation with no devil´s trap out in the woods, at a disadvantage? I do think he acted out of survival instinct, without thought for the actual possessed victim, but people don't always have time to think through their actions in those situations.

There are obviously those they could have saved and not killed. I´m not saying they are morally perfect, but no one is, and they are sure better than some other alternatives.

[itsnotmymind.livejournal.com]

But, there is a very real possibility that the people are already dead or dying, so that killing them quickly is better than freeing them.

But this gets back to my original point: Why do Sam and Dean rarely have this attitude when the possessed person is someone they have a reason to care about?

I also think this is a pretty questionable statement given the huge numbers of examples we have of possession victims who survive their possession. Of our reoccurring characters, Sam, Bobby, John, Lisa, Linda Tran (and if we're counting angel possessions, Claire Novak) were all possessed at least once in the first ten seasons, and survived. Bobby was seriously injured, but he still survived and lived a life.

"Well, they might had died anyway," is an excuse, and it's one that's been be used in the real world, too. It never ends pretty.

When Bobby shot Ruby, they were having a completely non-violent conversation, and she was standing with her arms stretched egging him to shoot. Ruby was evil. What was Bobby's excuse?