30 Days of Buffy, Day #23

[itsnotmymind]

Day #01: Favourite season
Day #02: Favourite episode
Day #03: Favourite song used in an episode
Day #04: Favourite female character
Day #05: Least favourite female character
Day #06: Favourite male character
Day #07: Least favourite male character
Day #08: Favourite friendship
Day #09: Favourite romance
Day #10: Least favourite season
Day #11: Least favourite romance
Day #12: Least favourite episode
Day #13: Favourite potential slayer
Day #14: Favourite female villain
Day #15: Favourite male villain
Day #16: Episode you like that everyone else hates - Favourite piece of monologue
Day #17: Character you relate to the most
Day #18: Character who didn’t get enough screen time
Day #19: Character you like that everyone else hates
Day #20: Best Spike-centric episode
Day #21: Best Willow-centric episode
Day #22: Best Xander-centric episode
Day #23: Two characters you wanted to get together that never did
Day #24: Favourite example of 90s special effects
Day #25: Favourite Buffyverse saying
Day #26: Favourite Scooby moment
Day #27: Cutest moment
Day #28: Character you love to hate
Day #29: Episode you hate that everyone else loves
Day #30: What you think made Buffy so great


Day #23: Two characters you wanted to get together that never did
I went through a phase where I was a Faith/Spike shipper. This started before they even sort of met in "Who Are You". I'm not sure that they would work as a long-term couple, but they would be hot in the short-term.

Comments

[kikimay]

WANNA READ YOUR FUFFY! *__*
Also, why are you turning into a Spangel shipper? I would like to know more about that. (Clearly when you have time and if you wish) I also don't see Buffy as lesbian or bisexual, but I wrote a Fuffy story and I was kinda fascinated by her relationship with Satsu in the comics, even if the execution wasn't the best.

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

The reason I'm turning into a Spangel shipper - although I don't actually go out and read a lot of Spangel fic or seek it out (partly because I'm not into reading graphic sex scenes, gay or straight, and I don't generally read m/m stories) - is that they are actually very very interesting together. with Spangel I can understand why, in the opinion of at least some scholars, young women today write so much m/m slash (esp Japanese manga): with two men, you have two people who have more equality socially and therefore in the relationship. There are always power imbalances of course, (and Buffy and Spike play with this and turn it on it's head in some ways (and in other ways not).)

and Angel is just so damn interesting with Spike in ways that he isn't with anyone else (at least in fanfiction) to me; and they have so much history going on as well. There doesn't seem to be the same trends towards fluff and domestication or woobification as there are in Spuffy fics; each partner in Spangel holds his own I think because they are each male, whereas Buffy and Spike still carry the weight of cultural expectations of "male" and "female". Even when we play with and turn those things on their head, we're acknowledging the existence of those expectations.

But also, I've read some really fine Angel/Spike (or Angel, Spike) stories.

I've also read at least one really excellent Buffy/Angel/Spike fic by Foxinator (the bookmark for which is lost on the desktop that burned in the fire. HUNDREDS of btvs fic, meta and artwork bookmarks that I relied on and referred to, "POOF!" gone.)

But as I said I don't go seeking out Spangel fic so much as I like the idea in my head. (In my post-series Dawn & Buffy fic that I saved from the fire and need to recreate, the boys are mentioned briefly by Buffy so it's indicated she's living with them and Dawn jokes about them having sex with each other, but in my head I honestly have no idea if it's Buffy/Spike/Angel, or Buffy as roommate to Spike/Angel. And weirdly enough, I don't care. It'll be up to the reader I guess.)

I also think maybe I've read so much Spuffy fic that I don't feel I have anything to add, and canon Buffy&Spike is so powerful in it's own right that there may be things that could have been done differently but I don't feel a great need to "fix" things.

Of course there is plenty of Fuffy out there as well and I've read some very good (Angearia, snowpuppies) and very bad. Or well-written but nothing more than an excuse for a sex scene.

That was a WAAAAYYY longer answer than you were wanting I'm sure!

I'd love to read your Fuffy too! My post series stories I've been writing lately sometimes imply Fuffy and sometimes more Faith/Dawn. It's funny, I've gone for decades without writing about women in implied or overtly lesbian relationships and now I'm suddenly and finally exploring that a bit more in fic.

I was kinda fascinated by her relationship with Satsu in the comics, even if the execution wasn't the best.

I think in the comics the best characters were often the original ones, or ones thinly or poorly drawn in the series, such as Kennedy; whereas the comics could not compete with or touch the rich characterizations of the canon characters from the series. (Although oddy enough some of the earlier non-canon comics do just that perfectly well.) I liked Satsu and can see why she's got a devoted fanbase -she is an interesting character, with a quiet strength and competence that we haven't seen since Tara in S6 I think; and the comics mostly sidelined the interrelationships of women to each other that is such an important part of the series.

But execution problems? Oh goodness, yes. I get that in the '90's a straight guy like Joss might be unfamiliar with even the concept of bisexuality but now? No excuse. I like that Buffy was worried about Satsu because everyone she's ever loved has gotten hurt (which, actually? not her fault most of the time) BUT she says in the same breath she's not gay? But then they have goodbye sex anyway? HUH? What self-respecting lesbian would consent to having sex with a woman who says she's not lesbian and therefore can't love her? (I know lesbians who have but they've all had deep self-confidence problems.) And really why does it matter anymore?